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Post subject: castrol R30....(castrol 'R' )
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martin  Suburban Commuter Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 85 |
Not too bothered about the cost, as my LC is not my main bike anymore, my R1 does all the everyday trips/miles....BUT.
I want, or think I want to run my 500LC on castrol 'R' through the autolube system. I am halfway through a motor rebuild, so the castrol 'R' would be pure, ie not mixed with anything else in the lube tank...
Is this a good, or even a sensible goal?
Anyone else ever done this?
I dont need advice about how modern oils are "better" or "cheaper"....with respect, all I want is hopefully someone to say yes, its okay, and your engine will be lubed well enough....or a resounding dont do it will be listened too also......
I dont want to screw up the engine, so an egg cup full in the tank might be a compromise...
martin
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:49 pm
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Richard4L1Suburban Commuter Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Total posts: 68 Location: malta |
yes,you can use castrol r30 in the autolube system.....nice smell,very good lubricating properties..but with a tendency to gum more than castrol's own 747,which is a castor/synthetic...some people are using it (747)as an injection oil with no ill effects even though it is an SAE 50 oil(the Crow in his 350 ..and another guy in his 500)
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 12:12 pm
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Rossi46 Regular Racer Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Total posts: 263 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire |
castor oil makes a gummy mess inside the motor. you would be better off using a fully synthetic oil. castrol tts, castrol r2, rock oil fully synthetic, motul 600, morris fully synthetic etc.
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:49 am
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jlyon Mmm, Fully Synthetic! Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Total posts: 1184 Location: South Yorks. |
| Rossi46 wrote: |
| castor oil makes a gummy mess inside the motor. you would be better off using a fully synthetic oil. castrol tts, castrol r2, rock oil fully synthetic, motul 600, morris fully synthetic etc. |
Yep! - This comment is definitely right in the "ball park"! According to no less an authority than Gordon Jennings (author of "The 2 Sroke Tuner's Handbook" & used to be Tech. Editor of "Cycle" mag ., USA when it was really hot, back in the '70s & '80s), While Castrol R is the absolute best for taking "maximum thump", ( in those days, can't speak for now ) the draw back is that even when it's used in pre-mix, it can only practically be mixed in small quantities, as it "goes off" so quickly ( after 2-3 days! ). As a result, it's only of practrical use to the "weekend warrior" (racer).
While I'm still updating, I'm thinking in terms of Putoline TTX or Castrol A747 (& though according to The Crow, the later is O.K. for use in your autolube system, it does suffer problems @ -3 degrees Celsius, & I for one have yet to obtain a definitive answer as to whether it can be left in the autolube system over winter in an unheated garage! - HTH!
Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:15 pm
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twedspeed Daily Burner Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Total posts: 161 Location: middlesbro england (top right hand corner) |
I used "R" in a premix tank on my tuned lamby , ran great , smelled great , but would separate out to bottom of tank over night ! , The next morning it would smoke like hell unless you gave the bike a really good shake from side to side to mix it all back in again , but as your planning to run it through the auto lube system you should not have that problem , let us know how you get on.
Iff its cool smells you want Austrian two stroke tuners STOFFIS GARAGE , and a company called S.I.P. (both hve websites ) sell "FLAVOURED " synthetic two stroke oils for their tuned twist & go,s , you can get a few different smells even STRAWBERRY !! I kid you not .
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:25 pm
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KickahaSuburban Commuter Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Total posts: 62 Location: Rangiora,NZ. |
jlyon as far as I am aware the problem with A747 at low temp is that it will seperate out of the fuel like twedspeeds castrol R did, in a autolube system it shouldn't be a problem although I know castrol don't recomend it in these systems
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:17 am
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Old Git Racer Powerband Master Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Total posts: 610 |
You can use either R30 or 747 in your bike but as stated above neither is recommended to be stored or used under freezing point. Both will gum up your carbs and autolube even using an injection system, blowback etc, not to mention rings and cases which are regularly stripped and cleaned on the race bikes these oils were designed for. Sae50 oil will struggle to get through when it's cold. If you use it as premix you will need to drain the carbs if you aren't using the bike for a few days, beleive me, I run a TZ.
I presume you want the smell? It does smell good but the hassles would outweigh that for me, good luck whatever you do.
OGR
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:16 pm
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Post subject: castrol 'r'
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martinSuburban Commuter Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 85 |
Looking at the comments, I think I will give up on the idea of both running it through the autolube, or premixing it.
Reckon I will go back to doing what I used to do when I was 17. stick an egg cupfull into the petrol tank if I need a "fix" of that wonderful 70's smell!
cheers 
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:54 pm
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jlyonMmm, Fully Synthetic! Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Total posts: 1184 Location: South Yorks. |
| Old Git Racer wrote: |
You can use either R30 or 747 in your bike but as stated above neither is recommended to be stored or used under freezing point. Both will gum up your carbs and autolube even using an injection system, blowback etc, not to mention rings and cases which are regularly stripped and cleaned on the race bikes these oils were designed for. Sae50 oil will struggle to get through when it's cold. If you use it as premix you will need to drain the carbs if you aren't using the bike for a few days, beleive me, I run a TZ.
I presume you want the smell? It does smell good but the hassles would outweigh that for me, good luck whatever you do.
OGR |
For my part, while I wouldn't use Castrol R (30 or 40) on a road bike, because there is just far too much inconvenience (& convenience is a good reason for me preferring autolube to premix!) With regard to A747, because The Crow said it was alright to use (& I am interested in a good quality oil for using with a tuned engine), with the proviso that there are problems @ low temperature (-3 degrees Celsius), I'm only examining the possibilities.
For my part, like a lot of other guys with road bikes, I tend to take my bike off the road for winter to overhaul & modify it. On the basis of the little I know so far, while the bike is only used from spring to late autumn, that avoids using it in low temperatures & those attendant problems. What that leaves unanswered is, is it O.K. to leave in the autolube system through a U.K. winter in an unheated garage? or would I have to drain it off @ the beginning of winter to prevent the autolube system becoming blocked?
While I understand that Castrol R does tend to cause varnish & that's not really a problem for you TZ guys who change bits so frequently, having no experience of A747, are there similar problems with that?
Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:03 pm
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TheCrowDaily Burner Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Total posts: 190 Location: Denmark , doing a wheelie in |
for Castrol a747
my tuner has been using it on his RD350 in autolube for years
on his crossengines he also uses only that oil!
i've mailed abit with castrol support
only probs with autolube is that they say the cant garanty for the same flow of the oil in sep lube systems when its cold
if been running a747 in my bike for some time and havent had any probz (although i crashed the bike and its now stored up)
gonna take out the oil in winter cause im not sure if castrol suport mént
dont use the bikew with the oil below -3 celsius
or newer expose the oil to -3
im gonna write them a letter to have that clarified though
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:36 pm
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Old Git RacerPowerband Master Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Total posts: 610 |
It says on the bottle not to store below 0 degrees, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea to leave it in. I think the structure of the oil changes below 0 but maybe someone can confirm this?
OGR
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:37 pm
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TheCrowDaily Burner Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Total posts: 190 Location: Denmark , doing a wheelie in |
Castrol a747 is considered the best 2-stroke oil money can buy by many
i also recomend it for stock bikes thats being ridden hard
cause that oil is developed and made for pure racing and can handle alot more stress than ordinary good fully synth oils
previous owner and i didnt know the diffrence betwen oils
then my tuner showed me the inside of my barrels,pistons and engine
all that desposits and wear made me change my mind dramaticaly
im only using castrol a747 from now on
the cold issue doesnt bother me cause in Denmark the use salt on the roads when its cold so i wont be ridding in wintertime anyway
im just gonna drain the bike of the oil until summertime
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:44 pm
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