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Post subject: Zeeltronic on LC
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Vindaloobeast  Rear-wheel Steering! Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2637 Location: Gloucester |
Anyones LC running a Zeeltronic..?
I was wondering what benefits are over stock but I really dont understand all the curve mapping etc so its pointless me trying to fit the bugger.
My bike is Abbey ported with Lomas pipes and the mismatch between porting and pipes is leaving not a lot of power low down.
Would this be any better with the Zeeltronic..?
Im after a proper explanation from someone witha similar setup..not guesses..
Beast.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:28 pm
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| xen-uno Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Total posts: 845 |
Stock LC is statically advanced to 10° before TDC, correct?
You should get more pep with the Zeel ...
https://macshot.de/rd/ZeelCurves.png
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:08 pm
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Bare All-gear Wheelie! Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1986 Location: Vancouver Canada |
The part of my Zeel setup that I'm consistently happiest about is the Rev limiter.. it alone was worth the entry for me.
These.. are... fragile cranks/engines and ya gotta wind them up tight to their ancient technology redlines to make 'em go satisfyingly.
The rest:? try and see, like everybody else has 
charitably, there are too many variables in individual setups to honestly predict significant anythings IMO
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:50 pm
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johnlc Powerband Master Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Total posts: 944 Location: John O'Groats |
Night and day difference for me MENTAL  pm'd ya
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:29 pm
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VindaloobeastRear-wheel Steering! Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2637 Location: Gloucester |
| Bare wrote: |
The part of my Zeel setup that I'm consistently happiest about is the Rev limiter.. it alone was worth the entry for me.
These.. are... fragile cranks/engines and ya gotta wind them up tight to their ancient technology redlines to make 'em go satisfyingly.
The rest:? try and see, like everybody else has
charitably, there are too many variables in individual setups to honestly predict significant anythings IMO |
Interesting about the rev limiter. I see you can set it a couple of ways however with my setup currently the bike just revs into the red and thats it..all over. My old LC went in and out the other side..almost..!!!! Im guessing its the porting holding it back..ie Micks tune..correct me if Im wrong but not a lot of exhaust port work or head which would make it scream right..?
How does the Zeeltronic compensate for the low down 'hole' as I will describe it.? Its smooth and as soon as it hits 6k its off like the clappers...even in 2nd if I roll the throttle on it takes time to rev and hit the magic 6k..
I'd like to try and get better low down grunt but all said and done Im still happy with it. Just very curious how the system works. Im also bothered about holes in pistons and detonation which is why Im asking.
Beast.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:53 pm
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| xen-uno Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Total posts: 845 |
It's firing sooner with the Zeel which gives the air/fuel mixture more time to burn. Timed right, max pressure (complete combustion) will be just as the piston passes TDC and is heading downward. There's your kick plus around 6k, your pipes are starting to come on. Advancing in the low to mid rpm ranges is increasing heat, but it has time to shed it ... not the case at high rpm's which is why the degree of advance tapers off. Compression (static + chamber supercharging effect) is your detonation risk, not a simple ignition thus advance change.
In a nutshell, that's how the system works.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:24 pm
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VindaloobeastRear-wheel Steering! Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2637 Location: Gloucester |
Confused.com
So whats to say I dont set it up purely for heat and blowing it up by accident..!
Beast.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:00 pm
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| xen-uno Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Total posts: 845 |
Stick with any of the 5 built in curves and you should be safe. There is not much difference between LC & YPVS other than the valves and minor port differences from what I've seen.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:59 am
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hybridRear-wheel Steering! Joined: 07 Aug 2003 Total posts: 2674 |
I've got Zeeltronic on my bike.
The barrels have some porting, and I have custom pipes.
I gained a fair bit more midrange from the zeeltronic, but I do have some weird misfire now and then.
I need to try resistor plugs on the bike, as I believe that's what is recommended.
The misfire is a minor issue though.. the bike goes great with the Zeeltronic on. It was well worth the money in my opinion.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:06 am
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VindaloobeastRear-wheel Steering! Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2637 Location: Gloucester |
Does it matter if you use resistive plugs or resistive caps..? Or both..?
Hmm Beast.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:13 am
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SEB4LOAll-gear Wheelie! Location: FRANCE - QUIMPER |
| Vindaloobeast wrote: |
Does it matter if you use resistive plugs or resistive caps..? Or both..?
Hmm Beast. |
YOU MUST RUN BOTH RESISTIVE PLUGS AND CAPS
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:16 am
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BareAll-gear Wheelie! Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1986 Location: Vancouver Canada |
Umm yeah! Sebs not exagerating
EMF pulses from the plugs can and likely will Destroy the chips inna Zeel bits No joke that as I've done it to several (v expensive it turned out) sensors on me Pore Car (in the past) by trying copper wires and 'straigh't plugs.. lasted I whole day.
Mine runs fine (so far:-) But it will rev to oblivion .. miss a shift and yikes.
Rev limiter is mandatory IMO.
Just blew out my FZ600 clutch disks yesterday.. hit 6 k and the thing zings to redline...didn't think that was likely.
Have just now inserted Ferodo FZ types , If those blow out?
Think the battle for the 'right' spannies was a headache ??
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:41 pm
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